Drew – Episode 2 lives!

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This episode we talk about The Way Out and The Gathering. How delicious is wood garlic? Why must all Banes have their voices digitally altered? Are the Bros MacKenzie actually bros? All this and Jen makes a Bold Declaration!


2 thoughts on “Drew – Episode 2 lives!

  1. Great podcast, once again. I really enjoyed listening to it while I was doing a couple chores I’d been avoiding.

    A couple historical notes: Yes, Prussia existed in 1743. In fact, Frederick the Great had become King of Prussia in 1740. He was considered the best educated, most cultured man in Europe (among other things). A couple of the pieces of music he wrote are still performed today. And, yes, I think it was reasonable for a man of 23 to become involved with a 16 year old girl in 1743. In the next two books, we’ll see a couple of young women whose families are delighted to marry them off to men much older than Jamie for various reasons. At 16, Laoghaire is old enough to have children and, therefore, old enough to get married.

    A couple plot clarifications: In the book we learn that at a previous Gathering of another clan, their rivals took advantage of the event to attack their castle and slaughter all the clansmen. So Colum doesn’t want that to happen to the MacKenzies. Do Dougal and Colum like each other? VERY good question and, again, that answer will become known later in the season.

    I want to elaborate a little on Jen’s explanation of Jamie taking/not taking the oath. We know even in the show that Jamie doesn’t have a relationship with his father’s people. He did, after all, come to Dougal and Colum, and not to his Fraser relations, when he needed a place to hide. Murtagh has a throw-away line in Ep. 4 when he explains to Claire, “The clan is a tanist.” A tanist is an heir apparent in a tribe. He’s chosen by general agreement of the clansmen, and is not necessarily the oldest son of the present Laird. Any of the fighting men of the clan can be chosen as the tanist. So, Jamie presents a real danger to Dougal if he takes the oath; as Jen and Claire both see Jamie is pretty darned attractive, and not just when he takes his clothes off. He’s smart, he’s got good sense, and he’s brave. Drew, I don’t think it would him to TELL Dougal and Colum he doesn’t want to be the next Laird. Remember, these are the men who cut their sister out of their lives when she married someone of her own choosing, and they’re not treating Jamie all that well. Why would they believe him? And, yes, they do want Jamie’s property.

    Drew, your questions … oh, the irony. I will simply say that several of the very good questions you raised in the podcast will be answered later in the season. Have patience, grasshopper. Father Bain, Geillis, Leoghaire … you’ll see them all again before too many more episodes pass.

    A couple character notes: I’m loving what the show is doing with Murtagh. He’s so much more interesting than in the book. He continues to act as guide to both Jamie and Claire, clarifying and coaching them, and trying to keep them out of trouble.(I just re-watched ep. 2; it was Murtagh who took Claire to see Colum for the first time. “Look what I found! Can I keep her??) As for Rupert, it was a cool choice to split him into the two characters and also roll a couple minor characters into the mix, as well. In the book, the executioner who beats Jamie up in Ep. 2 is a separate guy ; he’s also Colum’s bodyguard.

    In general in the book, many of the minor characters are not at all well developed. Murtagh is one and Rupert is another. In the book Rupert is rather rough, but he’s also Dougal’s right-hand man. And when Claire balks at Dougal’s suggestion that she marry Jamie, he offers Rupert (a widower with the lease of a farm, but older) as an alternative.
    Frank continues to be an ambivalent figure in both the book and the show. On the one hand, Claire married him (though she was quite young when she did so). And Frank is the “reason” Claire wants to return to the 20th century. On the other hand, Jamie. Frank can’t be so great that Jamie is irrelevant (as if!) but he can’t be a total dud, either. I read a blog post by D Gabs where she said that American readers tended to be all, “Grab Jamie and forget what’s-his-name, oh, yeah, Frank.” while English readers tended to be all, “Why does the bedraggled Scots lad have your knickers in a twist, Claire? You have that perfectly nice Frank waiting for you!”

    Lastly, I have a question that’s been plaguing me since the first time I read the book. It’s not addressed in the book, or in the TV show: Why does Claire call Jamie Mr. MacTavish? I did a search on my Kindle and the first time the name MacTavish appears is at Claire’s first dinner at Castle Leoch. No one, including Jamie himself, tells Claie that Jamie’s surname is MacTavish. What gives?

    Can’t wait for the next podcast!


  2. Thanks for the comments, I had no idea that Prussia existed that long ago! Huh, I never noticed the lack of an introduction of Jamie as MacTavish, that is super interesting! I did a little bit of internet searching and came across some people talking about this a few years ago: http://www.cafemom.com/group/17778/forums/read/7149114/Jamie_MacTavish?next=11 Jamie introduced himself to Claire with the MacTavish last name, but Diana cut the scene out of the book.

    I am loving Murtagh, too!


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